I was asked to oversee the installation of a hydraulic winch system installed on a workboat and designed by (winch experts)
My client had used this company before and was very satisfied with their expertise and service. If my client was happy then so was I.
It came the day when I had to inspect the installation. There was a gear pump attached to a large diesel engine via a flexible coupling, the winch was fitted on deck and the control valve, counterbalance valve with manifold were supplied loose.
I studied the circuit and the first thing that caught my attention was the closed centre control valve. This prompted an immediate phone call to the designer, the last thing we wanted was a hot system. He assured me that the control valve supplied was in fact a Pressure to Tank configuration and that he had drawn the symbol incorrectly. I then asked him what speed had he designed the pump to run at, “1000rpm” he said.
Now under normal conditions whilst using the winch the engine speed would run at 1000rpm but when the boat steamed from one position to another the engine rpm can increase to 2100-2200rpm, more than twice the design speed and what is more important twice the design flow.
Now we have a problem!
The control valve and pipe-work was not large enough to handle this extra flow. The first suggestion by the designer was to increase the size of the control valve, an obvious solution you might think. The first problem was that it would need larger diameter hoses (difficult to get onto the valve) but more importantly the valve looses its sensitivity due to the flow gain of the larger valve. Being a proportional valve and using a joystick with electrical control the winch would not have the sensitivity and less easy to control at low speed.
The better option is to fit and unloading valve directly off the pump outlet. When unloaded half the flow could pass through the unloading valve and half through the control valve. When the engine speed is reduced to 1000rpm the unloading valve can be closed allowing the reduced flow to pass to the control valve and operate the winch at the correct speed.
When driving pumps using engines especially with fixed displacement pumps you should always consider the working and the maximum rpm of the pump. It might be necessary to adjust the specification to cater for the extra flow.
Attributed to: Omar Khayam, 13th century philosopher
He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool. Shun him.
He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is a child. Teach him.
He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep. Wake him.
He who knows, and knows that he knows, is a leader. Follow him.
Very best
Bob Jackson (The Hydraulic man)
More hydraulics at www.hydraulicbrain.com
Hydraulic Engineers for Hampshire, Wiltshire and Southern England www.targetfluid.co.uk
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Saturday, 31 March 2012
Sunday, 19 February 2012
Hydraulic design is like a day's fishing
When I was a small boy, nothing was more exciting than going for a day’s fishing. Not that I can remember catching much but it was the anticipation that it might just be the day when I would catch a whopper!
Many years later I now see how the experts do it and it is hardly surprising I caught very little. As a child I used the same method of fishing regardless of the conditions, location or the type of quarry I hoped to land. Top fishermen plan their task and select the right equipment to suit the conditions.
If they get it wrong, at best they will catch very little and at worse loose or break their equipment because the fish was too large for the tackle they selected for the task.
Now let us consider the Hydraulic designer, he must also consider the task. What are the loads and speeds required? Where will the equipment be used, (hot, cold, wet or dirty) and from a basket of pumps, valves, actuators and controls, select the right parts for the best result. Get the selection wrong, at best will not achieve the task and at worse cause significant damage to your customers equipment. Get it right and it’s as satisfying as catching the Whopper!
Good fishing.
Bob
More Hydraulics at www.hydraulicbrain.com
Many years later I now see how the experts do it and it is hardly surprising I caught very little. As a child I used the same method of fishing regardless of the conditions, location or the type of quarry I hoped to land. Top fishermen plan their task and select the right equipment to suit the conditions.
If they get it wrong, at best they will catch very little and at worse loose or break their equipment because the fish was too large for the tackle they selected for the task.
Now let us consider the Hydraulic designer, he must also consider the task. What are the loads and speeds required? Where will the equipment be used, (hot, cold, wet or dirty) and from a basket of pumps, valves, actuators and controls, select the right parts for the best result. Get the selection wrong, at best will not achieve the task and at worse cause significant damage to your customers equipment. Get it right and it’s as satisfying as catching the Whopper!
Good fishing.
Bob
More Hydraulics at www.hydraulicbrain.com
Saturday, 11 February 2012
Hydraulic pump suction strainers
I return to an old subject, should we fit pump suction strainers?
I posed this question to my Linked in forum (Hydraulic help) and the overwhelming opinion was to leave them off.
For those just starting out in hydraulics let me briefly recap on the purpose of suction strainers.
As its name implies this is not a typical filter but simply a piece of 125micron metal gauze rolled into a tube that fits to the end of the pump suction pipe. Particles over 125 micron will be blocked thus preventing them entering the pump possibly causing instant destruction. This sounds very admirable and because of their low cost one would see no reason for not installing them, however there is a downside.If the suction line is restricted Hydraulic Pumps will quickly deteriate due to cavitation.
Suction strainers can be difficult to change and most often end users are totally unaware that they even exist. Over time this will result in the gauze silting up and blocking the oil flow to the pump and may even collapse the strainer with catastrophic results.
Many engineers say that if the tank is very clean and free of all weld splatter, the strainer will serve little purpose. This strategy however is not risk free because you must be 100% sure that there is no way that any contaminant can drop into the tank, that the paint inside will not flake or peel and that hoses and pipework have been thoroughly cleaned prior to start up.
My opinion is, look at the application and risk assess the environment, housekeeping abilities and responsibilities of the user and the implications of serious pump failure with the consequence of serious contamination throughout the system and potential downtime to the plant. Also talk to your customer about these issues.
keep safe
Bob Jackson
More hydraulics on www.hydraulicbrain.com
I posed this question to my Linked in forum (Hydraulic help) and the overwhelming opinion was to leave them off.
For those just starting out in hydraulics let me briefly recap on the purpose of suction strainers.
As its name implies this is not a typical filter but simply a piece of 125micron metal gauze rolled into a tube that fits to the end of the pump suction pipe. Particles over 125 micron will be blocked thus preventing them entering the pump possibly causing instant destruction. This sounds very admirable and because of their low cost one would see no reason for not installing them, however there is a downside.If the suction line is restricted Hydraulic Pumps will quickly deteriate due to cavitation.
Suction strainers can be difficult to change and most often end users are totally unaware that they even exist. Over time this will result in the gauze silting up and blocking the oil flow to the pump and may even collapse the strainer with catastrophic results.
Many engineers say that if the tank is very clean and free of all weld splatter, the strainer will serve little purpose. This strategy however is not risk free because you must be 100% sure that there is no way that any contaminant can drop into the tank, that the paint inside will not flake or peel and that hoses and pipework have been thoroughly cleaned prior to start up.
My opinion is, look at the application and risk assess the environment, housekeeping abilities and responsibilities of the user and the implications of serious pump failure with the consequence of serious contamination throughout the system and potential downtime to the plant. Also talk to your customer about these issues.
keep safe
Bob Jackson
More hydraulics on www.hydraulicbrain.com
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